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General => General Discussion & Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: CaptJack on August 31, 2013, 09:06:36 PM
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I thought Johnny M played well; however, his actions that resulted in the unsportsmanlike foul changed my opinion of him. Up until then I thought he was just a young fellow who needed some growing up to do. I now think he is just a conceited jerk with no class.
As far as the Bama game went...I thought they were flat and lacked enthusiasm especially the offensive line. That was the worst game I've seen McCarron play. I hope they take advantage of the bye week and get ready for A&M which I think they will.
Murray for GA is having a pretty impressive game as is the Clemson QB. With GA injuries they will have their hands full with SC next weekend.
Gonna be a great season.
Dee
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:-[Yep Dee - I concur....We wanted a hero at A &M...but not an "A-hole".......This kid is going to have a short college career. He is so hated by fans and other players because of his attitude.
What a waste of magnificent talent.....
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Dont forget these are young men in thier twentys. Were we much better?
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Dont forget these are young men in thier twentys. Were we much better?
Yes - the partying I can live with. But today he shows his true character. Don't know if anyone else noticed but when he walked off the field his coach was giving him an earful and he just walked on by him like he wasn't even there.
And yes, BAMA has me a bit worried on offense. Hope this came wakes them up.
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Dont forget these are young men in thier twentys. Were we much better?
Yep - I know Rick ...this kid is 19. BUt he has plenty of guidance from coaches and handlers. He has just let his accomplishments thus far go to his head to such an extreme. It is like watching North Dallas 40 or any other bad football movie you can think of.
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I am not a big college football guy ??? ??? ??? And I know I was a jerk sometimes at that age. But, when on the field we knew there were rules and expectations. We followed them. I still like Barry Sanders - he ran into the end zone and tossed the ball to the ref like it was what he did... No, he wasn't in college, but he was the epitome of class. My daughter's "boyfriend" a high school player - WR catches touchdown passes and tosses the ball to the ref - no big deal. He gets it, one of the reasons I like this kid. I don't see age as an excuse - class is class.
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I still remember my one of my coaches in jr. high school ball telling me to "act like I've been there before" ... and that stuck with me to pretty much everything I do competitively. Manziel doesn't actually attend classes (he takes the minimum gen ed requirements online) and has shown himself to be the antithesis of the "scholar athlete". I root for UT and A&M (as long as they aren't up against UGA in the SEC) and I think that Sumlin may have a few more headaches with this kid before he tries to make the leap to the NFL.
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Dont forget these are young men in thier twentys. Were we much better?
Yes - the partying I can live with. But today he shows his true character. Don't know if anyone else noticed but when he walked off the field his coach was giving him an earful and he just walked on by him like he wasn't even there.
I agree with Gus!! Yes, at that age we were much better!! Millions of men, and women, at that age before me and after me served and are serving our Country with distinction and honor. Football is just a game which at times is very passionate with the players and fans ... BUT you don't have to be an arrogant little punk about it. That boy has a lot of class - unfortunately it's all lower class!
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I still remember my one of my coaches in jr. high school ball telling me to "act like I've been there before" ... and that stuck with me to pretty much everything I do competitively. Manziel doesn't actually attend classes (he takes the minimum gen ed requirements online) and has shown himself to be the antithesis of the "scholar athlete". I root for UT and A&M (as long as they aren't up against UGA in the SEC) and I think that Sumlin may have a few more headaches with this kid before he tries to make the leap to the NFL.
Sorry about the game last nite UW.... :-X..But what an offensive head-spin in the first 1/4 of the game!
I don't think that Manziel has a chance in the NFL. Tebow style play ( run-n-gun ) is not what the NFL is built on.
*BUT* - I expect a Tebow style QB could do well in the CFL. 3 downs and out means more aggressive passing at near to mid distance and a QB that is highly mobile and quick.
But, Manziel's mouth will trip him up long before his talent expires....
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I still remember my one of my coaches in jr. high school ball telling me to "act like I've been there before" ... and that stuck with me to pretty much everything I do competitively. Manziel doesn't actually attend classes (he takes the minimum gen ed requirements online) and has shown himself to be the antithesis of the "scholar athlete". I root for UT and A&M (as long as they aren't up against UGA in the SEC) and I think that Sumlin may have a few more headaches with this kid before he tries to make the leap to the NFL.
Sorry about the game last nite UW.... :-X..But what an offensive head-spin in the first 1/4 of the game!
I don't think that Manziel has a chance in the NFL. Tebow style play ( run-n-gun ) is not what the NFL is built on.
*BUT* - I expect a Tebow style QB could do well in the CFL. 3 downs and out means more aggressive passing at near to mid distance and a QB that is highly mobile and quick.
But, Manziel's mouth will trip him up long before his talent expires....
I don't follow college football as it doesn't exist in Minnesota, but this guy sounds like a piece of work. Sounds like a parent along the way missed opportunities for a good head slap or two.
My Two goals as a parent.
Not a burden on society
Not an A hole
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Sometimes, ........ it has to be the hard way.
Ed
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Give me a break. ::) It was a stupid penalty but let's not get carried away here. He didn't throw a punch, spit on a cheerleader, drop kick a baby, steal an old woman's walker, give grandpa a wedgie, or poison a tree. He just pointed at the scoreboard, (Gasp) and did a little smack talk. So I guess the Rice owls are allowed to talk smack the entire game but when Johnny responds to it he gets flagged. ??? It should have been offsetting penalties or nothing at all. He had turned his back and was walking away but they kept talking. Yes he should've kept walking to the sidelines to celebrate the touchdown and the victory but he didn't. Coach Sumlin dealt with it and probably will have more to say behind closed doors. Hopefully in a couple of weeks we will be wondering why we made such a big deal out of this.
As for his NFL prospects it's anybody's guess. He is much better at reading defenses and being patient in the pocket than he was a year ago. He has great arm strength and unlike Tim Tebow he has a great throwing motion, a quick release, and is a very accurate passer. He is also much quicker and is a slippery runner with great vision. That sounds exactly like the type of quarterback a lot of NFL teams are looking for.
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Give me a break. ::) It was a stupid penalty but let's not get carried away here. He didn't throw a punch, spit on a cheerleader, drop kick a baby, steal an old woman's walker, give grandpa a wedgie, or poison a tree. He just pointed at the scoreboard, (Gasp) and did a little smack talk. So I guess the Rice owls are allowed to talk smack the entire game but when Johnny responds to it he gets flagged. ??? It should have been offsetting penalties or nothing at all. He had turned his back and was walking away but they kept talking. Yes he should've kept walking to the sidelines to celebrate the touchdown and the victory but he didn't. Coach Sumlin dealt with it and probably will have more to say behind closed doors. Hopefully in a couple of weeks we will be wondering why we made such a big deal out of this.
As for his NFL prospects it's anybody's guess. He is much better at reading defenses and being patient in the pocket than he was a year ago. He has great arm strength and unlike Tim Tebow he has a great throwing motion, a quick release, and is a very accurate passer. He is also much quicker and is a slippery runner with great vision. That sounds exactly like the type of quarterback a lot of NFL teams are looking for.
Easy Pops...easy.... :D I AM an Aggie...AND - I love my school. I LOVE A&M football.
And, more than the LOVE...I RESPECT the school, the game and the sport. But, it is beyond arguable that Johnny Manziel has created for himself a whirlwind of negative press. Warranted? Hell - I don't know - nor does anyone but him.
The problem is obvious to me: The kid has no sense of humility. Talent? All of the talent he needs in college. Attitude? BAD. Too much partying - not enough "positive press opportunities". He needs to settle down QUICKLY. Or he will find himself outside of the opportunities that his talents could create for him. And - I agree that the ONE penalty you refer to seemed silly. But it was the accumulation of behavior during his time in the game that got him benched IMHO.
I want him to play, and I want him to win. But I am tired of him embarrassing me, and the school ;).
His style of play - like Tebow's is something I personally admire and enjoy watching. But, again - it is without dispute that the NFL offensive play calling does not favor this kind of QB, otherwise - I feel that Tebow would still be with a team. I wish it did tho... Guess that is why I enjoy watching the CFL in the NFL off-season.
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You are embarrassed over Johnny? That's what I mean about this being blown out of proportion. As with most things, only the negative sensational stuff gets covered. Here are a couple of good things he has done that I bet you won't hear about on sportscenter.
http://www.wfaa.com/sports/college/Johnny-Manziel-takes-time-to-support-childhood-cancer-206345441.html (http://www.wfaa.com/sports/college/Johnny-Manziel-takes-time-to-support-childhood-cancer-206345441.html)
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/7/29/4568156/johnny-manziel-helps-raise-over-80000-for-scholarships-at-texas-a-m (http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/7/29/4568156/johnny-manziel-helps-raise-over-80000-for-scholarships-at-texas-a-m)
Again, he is nothing like Tim Tebow. On of off the field. :D I would compare him to Russell Wilson in Seattle or Colin Kaepernick in San Francisco, even though Kaepernick is much taller. They play the same style of football as Johnny. And with Philadelphia hiring Chip Kelly as their new head coach tells me that more teams in the NFL are going to try some version of a hurry up offense. And hopefully Johnny, if the doesn't do something really stupid and/or illegal, will find the right team that will use his skills effectively. I know he has done some stupid stuff and I was yelling at my TV yesterday when he got that penalty too. Why give people more ammunition to use against you right? But again it's being blown way out of proportion
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I don't think it is fair to compare how any of us were (or even how college players were back in the day) when we were their age. Even without the money, they live a pretty easy life and have a pretty easy go at their "education." I was married at his age and shortly thereafter working 2 jobs and going to college full time where I was actually expected to learn. I don't begrudge him of the others the partying, but having a little bit of class is not too much to ask of anyone regardless of their age or life circumstances. My kids will vouch for the lessons they have been taught about courtesy and respect, and if the comments they receive from adult strangers are any indication they have learned them well.
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You are embarrassed over Johnny? That's what I mean about this being blown out of proportion. As with most things, only the negative sensational stuff gets covered. Here are a couple of good things he has done that I bet you won't hear about on sportscenter.
http://www.wfaa.com/sports/college/Johnny-Manziel-takes-time-to-support-childhood-cancer-206345441.html (http://www.wfaa.com/sports/college/Johnny-Manziel-takes-time-to-support-childhood-cancer-206345441.html)
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/7/29/4568156/johnny-manziel-helps-raise-over-80000-for-scholarships-at-texas-a-m (http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/7/29/4568156/johnny-manziel-helps-raise-over-80000-for-scholarships-at-texas-a-m)
Again, he is nothing like Tim Tebow. On of off the field. :D I would compare him to Russell Wilson in Seattle or Colin Kaepernick in San Francisco, even though Kaepernick is much taller. They play the same style of football as Johnny. And with Philadelphia hiring Chip Kelly as their new head coach tells me that more teams in the NFL are going to try some version of a hurry up offense. And hopefully Johnny, if the doesn't do something really stupid and/or illegal, will find the right team that will use his skills effectively. I know he has done some stupid stuff and I was yelling at my TV yesterday when he got that penalty too. Why give people more ammunition to use against you right? But again it's being blown way out of proportion
I agree that it is out of proportion. But it is still so ill advised that you would think this kid would listen to advice to SHUT UP, keep his head down and just PLAY BALL!!!!
We all know that when you give the press 1 inch, they ail fabricate a mile...The whole crap with the "alleged" autograph sales...bore NO evidence. The acuusers were little more than crack dealers. I get it...
But - when you are center stage, and young - geez Louise son - just shut up and play ball! We ( A&M) have a history of being perennial underdogs. Use THAT as your incentive to WIN....Not under age drinking at parties. Not getting thrown out of frat parties on the UT campus!!!!! ( love the love of Pete...the ENEMY???REALLY Johnny???)
I am still embarrassed by him Pops - because WE have a right to expect a leader, a Heiseman winner, and - an Aggie to be BETTER THAN THAT...... >:(
It has been too #$%^&* long since John David Crow. And I did not want Johnny M. to treat this like a personal party. Has some pride. Have some dignity. have some CLASS.
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@ Tee ... Clemson just was on their game. As much as I like Mark Richt and his methods it just seems Georgia can't get over the hump. Of course, I use the same rationalization about every Cowboys coach Satan has hired since Jimmy Johnson ...
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Tim
if he was Corp it would be different
If he was Corp - they would have him trottin' double time with a 40 lb pack for a WEEK!!! :D
@ Tee ... Clemson just was on their game. As much as I like Mark Richt and his methods it just seems Georgia can't get over the hump. Of course, I use the same rationalization about every Cowboys coach Satan has hired since Jimmy Johnson ...
I must admit..when Satan bought the team - and did Tom Landry ( God rest him well...) like dirt...I can't bring myself to be a fan again. I just can't......
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Landry and our own Bud Grant......CLASS!
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I agree that it is out of proportion. But it is still so ill advised that you would think this kid would listen to advice to SHUT UP, keep his head down and just PLAY BALL!!!!
Agreed. You could see the frustration on Coach Sumlin's face yesterday immediately after the game.
We all know that when you give the press 1 inch, they ail fabricate a mile...The whole crap with the "alleged" autograph sales...bore NO evidence. The acuusers were little more than crack dealers. I get it...
I'm still waiting to hear when the investigation into Jadeveon Clowney and A. J. McCarron's autograph sessions will start. If Johnny violated the "spirit of the rule" then so did they.
I am still embarrassed by him Pops - because WE have a right to expect a leader, a Heiseman winner, and - an Aggie to be BETTER THAN THAT...... >:(
You know that's what the teasips in Austin love to hear. Do you ever wonder who all these 'anonymous sources' in the autograph-gate scandal really were, (Insert crazy conspiracy theory here).
It has been too #$%^&* long since John David Crow. And I did not want Johnny M. to treat this like a personal party. Has some pride. Have some dignity. have some CLASS.
Agreed. He could learn a lot from John David Crow.
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Landry and our own Bud Grant......CLASS!
I've been a Packers fan since I was a kid (sorry, Pappy - I grew up in ND.) But, I was always a Landry fan - there are some iconic figures in sports. To me Landry was one. I may not have cheered for the "Boys" - but I always cheered for Landry. Bud Grant, too. It is a bit disappointing that we can name these types of icons on a couple hands and feet when there are so many that "play the game."
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And..We can't leave Lombardi out of that group of coaches that epitomized "class".
If you get a chance to see the ESPN documentary about Lombardi - it tells about the common history/bond/respect - and real friendship between Lombardi and Landry. Moving, really moving....
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You are right - didn't want to go over the top with Packer love - but I agree. The documentary was excellent. Both Landry and Lombardi remind me of my dad - and I really appreciate that.
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Bud Grant reminds me of my MIL. I've told her that and she is good with it... kind of proud, actually... ??? ;D
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Bud Grant reminds me of my MIL. I've told her that and she is good with it... kind of proud, actually... ??? ;D
Well...BUd always have a nice close shave...... :o ??? 8) ;D :D
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Bud Grant reminds me of my MIL. I've told her that and she is good with it... kind of proud, actually... ??? ;D
Well...BUd always have a nice close shave...... :o ??? 8) ;D :D
Be afraid.. be very afraid... ??? ??? ??? ;D
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As for classy coaches, Chuck Noll will always be at the top of my list.
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Lighten up and stop all the whining!
Oops, sorry. It was just pointed out to me that this is important stuff and makes a difference in US foreign and domestic policy and the outcome of life across the universe (not to mention whirled peas). How silly of me to think it was only about a relatively unimportant game.
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As usual, the Turtle is right. We are talking about only college football. It ain't life and death----IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT!!! Dee
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You guys make me laugh - thank you!
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Lighten up and stop all the whining!
Oops, sorry. It was just pointed out to me that this is important stuff and makes a difference in US foreign and domestic policy and the outcome of life across the universe (not to mention whirled peas). How silly of me to think it was only about a relatively unimportant game.
No - the Turtle is WRONG.. THIS is Texas College Football. In Texas the order is a s follows:
1. Jesus
2. John Wayne
3. FOOTBALL
And anyone that says otherwise is a hard shelled reptilian grass eater...uh - wait...sorry Ka Honu... :D
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John Wayne was a Californian who hated horses. Substitute Nolan Ryan and we've got a deal!
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John Wayne was a Californian who hated horses. Substitute Nolan Ryan and we've got a deal!
Well. The Duke played a great man...just like Nolan Ryan played great baseball.... ;) whichever works for you - understanding the spirit and intent of the person selected.
But the Duke would shoot you is you were abad guy...Nolan might bean you with a baseball... ;D
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Opinions are like ***pits...we all have 'em...well, you know the rest.
I'd like to see us stay on the topic of OUTDOOR cookin'...
We probably won't be offending each other with the arguments about which sauce (or no sauce) is best.
Wannna fight? How about gettin' serious about whether to soak to wood chips or not.
Who wants to fight about football????
I be quiet now...
Well, Jaxon, I was pretty set against soaking wood chips - but then I read a link from Smoke that has me re-thinking my opinions...
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When does hockey season start?
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When does hockey season start?
When does it end?
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When does hockey season start?
:D :D :D :D :D :D
I thought we were all having fun talkin' about a subject that goest with BBQ better than any other. I mean - we don't talk politics here...oh wait football IS politics in the South! :D
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On behalf of all Southerners ... they still play hockey? ;)
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I don't want you to think I don't appreciate the importance of football in my own life. Back in the late 60s and early 70s I spent most of my time overseas in places that had very little football. When I got back to the US I found that I'd pretty much lost the habit of following the game closely but still watched occasionally.
I also discovered that something called Monday Night Football had been invented - a night when guys were glued to the screen, often in some bar or another, and the ladies in those establishments were bored to tears and more than willing to "chat up" a young reptile such as myself.
I took stock of my choices - male bonding with a bunch of drunk fools screaming without effect at a television screen or spending some often "profitable" time with lovely ladies who were otherwise ignored. It was a no brainer (and for you Texans who still don't understand, "no brainer" means the time with the ladies won - no contest).
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I don't want you to think I don't appreciate the importance of football in my own life. Back in the late 60s and early 70s I spent most of my time overseas in places that had very little football. When I got back to the US I found that I'd pretty much lost the habit of following the game closely but still watched occasionally.
I also discovered that something called Monday Night Football had been invented - a night when guys were glued to the screen, often in some bar or another, and the ladies in those establishments were bored to tears and more than willing to "chat up" a young reptile such as myself.
I took stock of my choices - male bonding with a bunch of drunk fools screaming without effect at a television screen or spending some often "profitable" time with lovely ladies who were otherwise ignored. It was a no brainer (and for you Texans who still don't understand, "no brainer" means the time with the ladies won - no contest).
So...what you are saying is turtle mating season coincides with football season?? Whooda thunk it? ;D
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Turtle mating season coincides with opportunity.
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Turtle mating season coincides with opportunity.
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Well played my friend...well played! ;D
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Turtle mating season coincides with opportunity.
:D :D :D
Well played my friend...well played! ;D
lol!
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When does hockey season start?
:D :D :D :D :D :D
I thought we were all having fun talkin' about a subject that goest with BBQ better than any other. I mean - we don't talk politics here...oh wait football IS politics in the South! :D
Yeah it is posted in the general discussion section. There is more to life than BBQ...oh wait...did I just type that?
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As usual, the Turtle is right. We are talking about only college football. It ain't life and death----IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT!!! Dee
Funny ;D ;D ;D
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When does hockey season start?
:D :D :D :D :D :D
I thought we were all having fun talkin' about a subject that goest with BBQ better than any other. I mean - we don't talk politics here...oh wait football IS politics in the South! :D
Yeah it is posted in the general discussion section. There is more to life than BBQ...oh wait...did I just type that?
And...I think you hit on what may be one of our strengths in this community.......That we are not so stiff that we must adhere stringently to cooking discussions only. And we have fun in ribbing one another, in a friendly and non-serious manner. :)
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When does hockey season start?
:D :D :D :D :D :D
I thought we were all having fun talkin' about a subject that goest with BBQ better than any other. I mean - we don't talk politics here...oh wait football IS politics in the South! :D
Yeah it is posted in the general discussion section. There is more to life than BBQ...oh wait...did I just type that?
And...I think you hit on what may be one of our strengths in this community.......That we are not so stiff that we must adhere stringently to cooking discussions only. And we have fun in ribbing one another, in a friendly and non-serious manner. :)
Yup one of the reasons I like this place. Sure lots of good advice, support and learning about cooking - but it's hanging out with friends and BSing...around the fire - even if we don't have a fire... that is important (at least to me... ;D )
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To Tee and Doc ... that pretty much sums it up. :)
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To Tee and Doc ... that pretty much sums it up. :)
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To Tee and Doc ... that pretty much sums it up. :)
I'm with you UWFSAE!
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I thought we were all having fun talkin' about a subject that goest with BBQ better than any other. I mean - we don't talk politics here...oh wait football IS politics in the South! :D
No, its a religion.
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Football Season is coming
HERE'S A LITTLE RECAP OF LAST YEAR
Alabama beat Arkansas,
and Arkansas fired their coach.
Alabama beat Tennessee,
and Tennessee fired their coach.
Alabama beat Auburn,
and Auburn fired their coach.
Then Alabama beat Notre Dame, and the Pope resigned.......
Damn, I wish the White House had a team!
THAT was the FUNNIEST post of the DAY!!!!
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Football Season is coming
HERE'S A LITTLE RECAP OF LAST YEAR
Alabama beat Arkansas,
and Arkansas fired their coach.
Alabama beat Tennessee,
and Tennessee fired their coach.
Alabama beat Auburn,
and Auburn fired their coach.
Then Alabama beat Notre Dame, and the Pope resigned.......
Damn, I wish the White House had a team!
THAT was the FUNNIEST post of the DAY!!!!
Without a doubt!