Let's Talk BBQ
General => General Discussion & Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Subvet on September 05, 2016, 07:54:14 PM
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Overall I was pleased with the results. Here is the Good and the Bad as I see it for my first cook:
Good - The flat was very flavorable, tender and juicy. Sliced very easily
Bad - I used too much salt in the rub and the bark was so salty we had to slice that off of each piece. I used a 60/40 Kosher Salt/Pepper rub. 1/2 tsp salt per pound (10.7 lbs).
Good - The Open Range held its temperature from 250-270 for 6 hours with little effort on my part to make any adjustments to the dampner. It ran away once to 270 for some reason.
Bad - The point was undercooked. This is a situation I don't understand how to fix. The probe was in the middle of the flat and when the IT got to 205 I took it off the smoker and put the brisket in a cooler and let it rest for 1.5 hours. When I sliced the point it still had a little blood like fluid between the cap fat and the meat. Should I have just separated it from the flat and put back on the smoker and wait until it got to 205 too? If I had the probe in the point like I did initially the flat would have been overdone if I had waited until it reached 205.
I kept notes on the smoke for future reference. I've included it here as it might be of help to another newbie like me.
6:35am Lit charcoal
7:15am Smoker stabilized to 250. Put brisket in the smoker
8:15am IT 125. Concerned the temp was too high for one hour
9:15am IT 146
9:30am Per Hub suggestion, moved probe from point to middle of flat. Temp in flat was 135. Probe must have been in some fat in the point.
10:15am IT 144
11:15am IT 155
12:15pm IT 160
1:15pm IT 168 Removed from smoker and wrapped in foil. IT dropped to 151 by the time I got it back in the smoker
2:15pm IT 205 Removed from smoker (Brisket was in smoker for 6 hours at this time)
2:25pm Wrapped in towels and placed in cooler
4:00pm Removed from cooler, sliced and served. Temp had fallen to 154 when I removed from cooler. Some juice leaked out so must not have sealed the foil tight enough.
I really appreciate all the help and advice so generously given to me by you folks. Hopefully the second time will be even better than this one and other than the salty bark it was great. Will add pics if I can figure out how to do it.
I couldn't figure out how to send a pic except as an attachment. If there is another way I'd appreciate knowing how to do it.
1st pic Head Pitmaster, Gus
2nd pic Brisket after adding salt/pepper rub
3rd pic Ready to remove from rack, foil and then return
4th pic After removing from cooler and ready to slice
5th pic Sliced
6th pic Labor day dinner
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Looks like you got some great results. My only comment is I can assure you it wasn't blood you saw. The talent will be by shortly to analyze the post game.
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By no means was Pappy referring to me as "the talent"...but here is what I can offer:
First of all...when I saw the first picture - I instantly had to stand and salute in the direction of College Station.... ;) ;D Gus just made it all the better.
About posting pics: In order tomato pictures permanent to a thread...you will want to set up a photo hosting act. And - all of them I have tried have their strengths and weaknesses - but my favorite thus far is SmugMug.com. Google offers one I think...and there is Photobucket.
Once you have loaded your photos onto a hosting site - you can usually click on an "image" tag or similar ( nomenclature will vary based on which site -)
And - copy it into your thread - and the photo will appear.
Now, about the doneness....Temperature is a good general guide - but the toothpick probing will tell you more than what the temp probe can ever reveal as to doneness. Some just require longer to get those tissues to relax enough. I know this is hard to sell to the spouse or guests but "It's done when it's done" will come to be your mantra. But - just as another "guesstimate"....8-10 hours is reasonable for a full packer brisket. Yours hit the temps. - but...leaving it longer would not over cook it most likely.
It is the time at temperature that makes the magic of allowing all of the silver-skin, hard fats, connective tissues and so on to break down, soften, tenderize.....and flavor the meat.
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By no means was Pappy referring to me as "the talent"...but here is what I can offer:
First of all...when I saw the first picture - I instantly had to stand and salute in the direction of College Station.... ;) ;D Gus just made it all the better.
About posting pics: In order tomato pictures permanent to a thread...you will want to set up a photo hosting act. And - all of them I have tried have their strengths and weaknesses - but my favorite thus far is SmugMug.com. Google offers one I think...and there is Photobucket.
Once you have loaded your photos onto a hosting site - you can usually click on an "image" tag or similar ( nomenclature will vary based on which site -)
And - copy it into your thread - and the photo will appear.
Now, about the doneness....Temperature is a good general guide - but the toothpick probing will tell you more than what the temp probe can ever reveal as to doneness. Some just require longer to get those tissues to relax enough. I know this is hard to sell to the spouse or guests but "It's done when it's done" will come to be your mantra. But - just as another "guesstimate"....8-10 hours is reasonable for a full packer brisket. Yours hit the temps. - but...leaving it longer would not over cook it most likely.
It is the time at temperature that makes the magic of allowing all of the silver-skin, hard fats, connective tissues and so on to break down, soften, tenderize.....and flavor the meat.
Thx for the photo info.
So I should have left the brisket on until it passed the 'tooth pick' probe test regardless of how high the IT got?
How do I get the point 'done' while not getting the flat 'overdone'?
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Well, your brisket looks great.
I don't sweat the point temp once the flat is cooked because I cube the point and rub em and sauce em and back on the smoker in a foil pan for burnt ends. They come out great and makes up for the point not being up to temp.
Glad the Open Range treated you right :)
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Plate me up! Looks great!
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Brisket looks juicy and delicious!
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I'm the one who advised you to monitor the temp in the flat and I'll stick by that -- an overdone flat will just fall apart into hamburger looking stuff (it won't slice). The point is usually "done" along with the flat but not always, and I didn't add the details on that. Often, the point is separated from the flat when the flat is done and returned for more cooking -- most often as "burnt ends" (diced pieces, heavily sauced and converted to "cow candy". Sometimes the point is also sliced, but won't be as pretty (has more internal fat).
Some cooks separate the point and flat and cook them separately, but I discourage that. Together, they cook better than apart. Most brisket cooks seek a "full packer" (joined point and flat) because of this fact. The separation following the flat being done is where I may have mislead you.
Nonetheless, congratulations on a successful first brisket cook ;D -- If you still have leftover point you can still cook it further without firing up the cooker -- just foil it and put it in the oven at 325 and monitor until you like the texture.
Hub
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Great looking smoking ring and looks moist too!
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It looks pretty good to me. Nice and juicy looking!
My brisket the other weekend, the point was done about an hour before the flat. I didn't want to separate it but I did to wrap the flat and hopefully get it moving along faster before guests arrived. Never know what you are going to get with a brisket so just have to roll with the punches. It looks pretty good for your first brisket. Take notes with timing, problems/solutions, so if you tired a solution and it doesn't work out you make a note of it to try something else.
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Yea it does look pretty good for first time and with a stick burner!!! Good job!!! Don
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I'm the one who advised you to monitor the temp in the flat and I'll stick by that -- an overdone flat will just fall apart into hamburger looking stuff (it won't slice). The point is usually "done" along with the flat but not always, and I didn't add the details on that. Often, the point is separated from the flat when the flat is done and returned for more cooking -- most often as "burnt ends" (diced pieces, heavily sauced and converted to "cow candy". Sometimes the point is also sliced, but won't be as pretty (has more internal fat).
Some cooks separate the point and flat and cook them separately, but I discourage that. Together, they cook better than apart. Most brisket cooks seek a "full packer" (joined point and flat) because of this fact. The separation following the flat being done is where I may have mislead you.
Nonetheless, congratulations on a successful first brisket cook ;D -- If you still have leftover point you can still cook it further without firing up the cooker -- just foil it and put it in the oven at 325 and monitor until you like the texture.
Hub
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I understand what to do next time more than I did on the first one.
Ended up cubing the point, putting on some sauce and sticking in the oven for about an hour and a half. My wife told me it was even better than what we had from the flat.
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The point is where the action is at. Burnt ends are great! I have never ever cooked on your pit so it will have its nuances but I do think that was a fast cook. I think brisket goes for about an hour a pound in smoking temps (225° to 250°) so I guess you running a little hotter had something to do with the quicker time. Also, keep in mind that meat varies. I've had some butts take an eternity to get done. I recall a 6 pound butt taking 18 hours to have an IT of 195°! Weird!
With all of that said and done, I think you did a fine job for your first time out. Brisket can be intimidating but don't let it be. Practice makes perfect. The only suggestion I have, after seeing this first cook would be to not wrap the next go around, just for comparison sake. I think not wrapping it will give you a deeper color and better bark as well. Some cookers/smokers give you bark much quicker, some take longer to develop. My Kamados take far longer than my KBQ and Traeger. Lastly, try wrapping in butcher paper as opposed to foil should you decide to wrap again.
There is NO wrong way to BBQ. We all have our methods. Some in common, some maybe not so much but we all found what works for us as will you! The road along the way is the fun part ;)
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Looks good from here.
Agree with everyone to monitor temp in the flat. When it gets to around 195* start probing for doneness.
When the flat is done I'll separate the point from the flat on the cooker using those silicone heatproof food handling gloves.
Wrap the flat for a rest and leave the point on the smoker for more rendering. It's hard to overcook the point with all the fat in it.
Anymore I end up slicing the point. I think it has the best beefy taste of the whole cow.
Like RG says, try different things to see what you like. It will all be good.
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The point is where the action is at. Burnt ends are great! I have never ever cooked on your pit so it will have its nuances but I do think that was a fast cook. I think brisket goes for about an hour a pound in smoking temps (225° to 250°) so I guess you running a little hotter had something to do with the quicker time. Also, keep in mind that meat varies. I've had some butts take an eternity to get done. I recall a 6 pound butt taking 18 hours to have an IT of 195°! Weird!
With all of that said and done, I think you did a fine job for your first time out. Brisket can be intimidating but don't let it be. Practice makes perfect. The only suggestion I have, after seeing this first cook would be to not wrap the next go around, just for comparison sake. I think not wrapping it will give you a deeper color and better bark as well. Some cookers/smokers give you bark much quicker, some take longer to develop. My Kamados take far longer than my KBQ and Traeger. Lastly, try wrapping in butcher paper as opposed to foil should you decide to wrap again.
There is NO wrong way to BBQ. We all have our methods. Some in common, some maybe not so much but we all found what works for us as will you! The road along the way is the fun part ;)
RG, appreciate the comments and suggestion. I also thought the cook was too fast from things I've read on this forum. For the smoker temp I relied on the built-in thermometer which is supposedly very accurate. Next time I am going to use an air probe to monitor the temp. Also plan on not wrapping as you suggested. Hub told me yesterday to just go with the flow. I'm a guy with a mindset that something is either black or white. :) I can see that with smoking meat you have to be flexible!
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Last Friday I cooked my first Brisket on my Good One Open Range but it was not my first Brisket cook. I've cooked Brisket three other times on my WSM. Anyway, I think mine was over done because the flat basically fell apart when we tried to slice it. I did the probe test at about 195 but it didn't slide in like butter so I didn't take it off until it hit about 203. Mine cooked for 14 1/2 hours. I then wrapped it in foil and a towel and put it in a dry cooler where it say for about 2 1/2 hours. My brisket was a full packer that originally weighed over 16 lbs but was a little over 12 lbs when trimmed.
It was pretty tender with good flavor so everyone seemed to like it anyway.
The thermometer on my Open Range was not even close to what my Maverick 732 said. In some cases it was 30 degrees off on the higher side. Mine cooked from 200 degrees when the temps dropped because I needed more fuel to about 270. It mostly stayed in the 230-240 range during the cook.
I did go through a full bag and then a little of another bag of the Good One lump charcoal which I thought was a little excessive. I may go back to Kingsford briquettes next time.
Anyway, your brisket looks like it turned out better than mine did.
Wayne
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Last Friday I cooked my first Brisket on my Good One Open Range but it was not my first Brisket cook. I've cooked Brisket three other times on my WSM. Anyway, I think mine was over done because the flat basically fell apart when we tried to slice it. I did the probe test at about 195 but it didn't slide in like butter so I didn't take it off until it hit about 203. Mine cooked for 14 1/2 hours. I then wrapped it in foil and a towel and put it in a dry cooler where it say for about 2 1/2 hours. My brisket was a full packer that originally weighed over 16 lbs but was a little over 12 lbs when trimmed.
It was pretty tender with good flavor so everyone seemed to like it anyway.
The thermometer on my Open Range was not even close to what my Maverick 732 said. In some cases it was 30 degrees off on the higher side. Mine cooked from 200 degrees when the temps dropped because I needed more fuel to about 270. It mostly stayed in the 230-240 range during the cook.
I did go through a full bag and then a little of another bag of the Good One lump charcoal which I thought was a little excessive. I may go back to Kingsford briquettes next time.
Anyway, your brisket looks like it turned out better than mine did.
Wayne
My brisket was about 10 lbs trimmed and was ready at 6 hours and then in the cooler for 1.5 hours. I think I should have left it on for another hour or so but I was going by the IT hitting 203 and the probe test was okay in my mind. But this was my first brisket ever so I really didn't have the feel for how 'buttery' it should feel. I think it could have been a little softer but it was tender and juicy so can't complain if I don't know what to complain about. :)
That sounds like a lot of charcoal to me but maybe not for the length of time you had the smoker going. I also used the Good One lump and it took about 3/4 of a sack. When I shut it down there was still some left in there unburned. I had the firebox spinners open about 1/8" and the smoke box spinner about 1/4"
Thank for the heads up on the inaccuracy of the built-in temp gauge. Mine read 250 most of the time but who knows what it actually was? Next time I'm going to use my ChefAlarm to check it.
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I forgot to mention I had all my spinners open 1 1/2 turns which I'm not sure how much that is in inches. The flavor of mine was very good but it just fell apart. I did not foil mine at any point during the cook, just afterward. I also did not inject this one like I did on the others I have done. I was basically cooking it like Chris Marks does who represents the Good One smokers.
Wayne
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I forgot to mention I had all my spinners open 1 1/2 turns which I'm not sure how much that is in inches. The flavor of mine was very good but it just fell apart. I did not foil mine at any point during the cook, just afterward. I also did not inject this one like I did on the others I have done. I was basically cooking it like Chris Marks does who represents the Good One smokers.
Wayne
1 1/2 turns is a tad over 1/8th inch on mine.