Let's Talk BBQ
FORUM SPONSORS => Pit Barrel Cooker Co. => Topic started by: smokendevo on January 28, 2013, 05:54:36 PM
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So I wanted wings and said lets do them in the PBC. Got it going and prepared my wings.
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Wings getting ready
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Not enought heat from the PBC so I had to finish them in The Big Easy.
Second time this PBC has not lived up to the big hooraaw everyone down south has given it.
Living up north this is not a cooker for cold weather, at least thats my opinion. Sorry I can only give a c+ so far.
Finished in the big easy and fed the kid
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Wings look good Devo. My works as advertised, but I am in south Texas where yesterday we were wearing shorts outside with some flip flops 8)
I have a cooker at home that needed a few mods to keep up the temps even in the summer. ;) 8)
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Well Mike I tried to get more heat going after I noticed the wings where not cooking after three hours in the PBC but by then it was to late. Getting more air in there was no use by then, most of the coals where almost done by then. Must have been the cold temps here I figure. Looking for answers as I don't like spending money on something that dont work like advertised >:(
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devo, wings look good. I can't speak to the PBC (cause I don't have one).
How did you cook the fires? I ask because you know you can cook them the your BE and they come out great.
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Well Mike I tried to get more heat going after I noticed the wings where not cooking after three hours in the PBC but by then it was to late. Getting more air in there was no use by then, most of the coals where almost done by then. Must have been the cold temps here I figure. Looking for answers as I don't like spending money on something that dont work like advertised >:(
Have you contacted Pit Barrel Cooker?? They are outside of Denver I believe and it gets pretty cold there..give Noah and Amber a call.... :)
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No to contacking them as I am sure they check this site out almost every hour if they don't they should. I'm not totally disappointed in my cooker. I did make some really good pizza.
Hmmm almost three houndred dollars to my house delivered and I have really good pizza.
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No to contacking them as I am sure they check this site out almost every hour if they don't they should. I'm not totally disappointed in my cooker. I did make some really good pizza.
Hmmm almost three houndred dollars to my house delivered and I have really good pizza.
Smokendevo- I do check this site daily, and we proudly stand behind our product and customer service. Please call us directly and we'll get this figured out. We work 24/7 and can be reached at 303-249-9069.
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smokendevo - I have a PBC and live in MN (got another 6" of snow yesterday and temps today are warm at 30*.) I can't speak to the wings as I have never found anything that beats my SRG for wings and have no reason to try. However, looking at your set-up, I suspect your wings are just too high in the cooker. I would have used the grill grate for the wings - get a bit closer to the coals. I've done probably a dozen chickens in my PBC, including after the snow started, and they are fantastic. Does take a bit longer as it got colder, but still some of the best chicken I've had. I probably have too many cookers, but I find that there are foods I prefer on different cookers (and sometimes changing them up for some different flavors...) So far, I give my PBC (at least for chicken, ribs and pulled pork) a solid A.
As for contacting Noah or Amber, if you are having problems, they are some of the nicest people you can talk with. I wouldn't wait and hope they find you - just give 'em a call - I bet you get the answers you need.
Good luck,
David
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OK I have to say yes the wings where up a tad from the grill setting. This really should not matter if you add extra time to the cook. I did this and ran out of hot coals, my complaint....no heat to finish the cook. I did some ribs when I first got this cooker and never finished posting the final cook because they where not done to my satisfaction. I thought it was just me and at the time it was -35 below so I gave the cooker the benefit of the dult.
Not done with this thing to make it work here in below temperatures so stay tuned.
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Well said David, I have always felt that the "Sweet Spot" in the PBC is in the area where the grate sits. Great call on the placement of the wings.
smokindevo, I sent Noah a message to get a hold of you and make you happy with your PBC!!
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Just to let you all know I just got harassed in a PM by the mod on this forum for having a complaint about the cooker....this just adds to my dis-appointment >:(
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Uh...I read the PM - and you were not harrased. You were asked to contact the manufacturer about any poduct issues BEFORE posting what feels like a complaint. That is only fair - and that is the way we are going to do it from now on.
Please don't make me be the bad-guy here. Anyone that does not bother to call a manufacturer first - but will get on a public forum and post a negative comment...just not fair.
In fact: here is the copy of EXACTLY what you received. If you are going to squeal "harassment" - then we will let all view it and decide:
Now, I am gonna put my Moderator hat on for a bit!! Pit Barrel Cooker is one of our forum sponsors and we really are very happy we have these fine folks and their companies on board with us!
I can understand if someone is unhappy with a purchase and if that item is not working properly. In the case of Pit Barrel Cooker, Noah and Amber are about as nice a couple as you will ever meet and Noah darn near answers his phone around the clock. When I first got my PBC, I put a thermometer in it, freaked out and called him. Noah was willing to fly to California to personally show me how to use my PBC!! I was being a complete moron!!
So I am asking everyone (and this goes for myself as well), if you want to tell us about your problems with your cooker that is fine. We might come with an idea to help you out. But please at least give the Manufacturer a chance to make it right!!
I can fully appreciate what you are going through. Especially when you shell out some bucks and you don't get the results we have all been ranting and raving about. Just give the Mfg a chance to make things right!!
So, let's change that attitude real quick, o.k.? We all value one another here. And - no one is perfect, tho sometimes we might think we are. ;D
This is THE warning.
Let's try to turn this positive - shall we?
"This really should not matter if you add extra time to the cook."
I have found there are various instances where time and temperature are not mutually exchangeable. I would never jack the temp up too much on my boston butts too high to cook them faster -because they need enough time to allow the collagens and connective tissues to liquify and make the pork completely tender. I can get to the target temp faster...but without the amount of time needed...the pork will not pull well.
Likewise - a brisket cooked too low and slow - for too long will invariably not have the bark I want - and - again - may not reach temps needed for the needed tenderness.
My point is that Noah has designed this uber simple looking device - to have a designated cooking "zone" - where temp, and air volatility and other factors make for great results, and quite consistent. I think that if you had tried using the hooks to place your skewers a little lower...it may have worked better. Batter to ask Noah about that...
And - maybe you can try some lump charcoal during what most of think of as "Arctic Grilling Season" I *DO* admire your spunk! -( I would want fur lined underwear :D) to see if that does give you an increase in BTU for the time frame....Again - Noah.... ;D
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I am done with this site. Please remove me from it. Your post it is your site and not the sponsors is a load of bull poop. I had a complaint and just got hammered "with what are you talkin about." I don't want to belong to a site like this so please remove my posts and my nick name from your server.
Thank you
Smokendevo
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T2 - Good reply and good caution to us all (especially late at night... if you know what I mean... ;)) But the best part might be the suggestion for using some lump charcoal when the temp really drops. Hadn't thought of that (and would like Noah's thoughts since this is a very well balanced system.) But, for sure I will try it in the 500X and Weber! Thanks!
David
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David - thank you.
I know that the lump charcoal burns hotter. And - that may help - or hurt depending on what one is trying to do - and under what conditions. There are and will always be environmental challenges that we must make adjustments for.
1. Wind - more so than temps in the range of temps we consider moderate/temperate - wind-chill can alter a cook dramatically.
2.Humidity and barometric pressure - ever wonder why sometimes - the meat you do EXACTLY the same way - can have more - or less of a smoke profile? Humidity can definitely play a hand in this.
3.Brand of fuel source - nuff said? Highly variable
4.time of day - radiant heat energy is not only FROM your pit. You can pick up significant "solar heat gain" if cooking on a bright sunny day - yes...even in winter.
5.meat temp when beginning cook - did you let it come to room temp? If not...you will find it takes longer to cook.
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Can I get a good deal on a slightly used PBC?
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Ok, if I had known the cooks were preformed at a wind chill of -35F I'd expressed the fact that this cooker is NOT made to cook in those extremes. A cooker without insulation in those extremes can't reach cooking temps.
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Ok, if I had known the cooks were preformed at a wind chill of -35F I'd expressed the fact that this cooker is NOT made to cook in those extremes. A cooker without insulation in those extremes can't reach cooking temps.
Even I don't try to cook outside when it's THAT cold. And (ask my kids) I am pretty silly when it comes to cooking outside... just sayin'... :P
David
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I hope everyone read the pm I sent and I was really trying to be careful to respect the fact that someone was disappointed with their purchase! i also had problems with the PBC that were my fault and I contacted Noah and I got myself squared away. I have had numerous problems with some other pits that I own or used to own. Probably are mostly caused by me!! I feel bad that a member felt that he/she was harassed!! That was not my intentions at all.
I take being a moderator very seriously and do not take any joy in having to "flex my muscles". I also take very seriously our relationships with our Forum sponsors and of course all of you!! You are like my extended BBQ family and I really hope that you all feel what I was doing was fair and helpful to a newer member that was obviously unhappy with his purchase.
I hope he gets his equipment straightened out and he will come back on here and join us and just "Talk BBQ" :)
Smoke
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I hope everyone read the pm I sent and I was really trying to be careful to respect the fact that someone was disappointed with their purchase! i also had problems with the PBC that were my fault and I contacted Noah and I got myself squared away. I have had numerous problems with some other pits that I own or used to own. Probably are mostly caused by me!! I feel bad that a member felt that he/she was harassed!! That was not my intentions at all.
I take being a moderator very seriously and do not take any joy in having to "flex my muscles". I also take very seriously our relationships with our Forum sponsors and of course all of you!! You are like my extended BBQ family and I really hope that you all feel what I was doing was fair and helpful to a newer member that was obviously unhappy with his purchase.
I hope he gets his equipment straightened out and he will come back on here and join us and just "Talk BBQ" :)
Smoke
Hey Smoke,
I took your comments in the way they were meant. I have had nothing but positive encounters with Noah and Amber at PBC. I also understand the typical "frustration" that a user might feel and the desire to "lash out". Early on you made it very clear that PBC was a unique company - dedicated to making EVERYONE of their customers satisfied. Each question I've put to them was answered patiently (given my lack of experience) and completely. I have had a chance to talk with both Amber and Noah on the phone and in every case they were gracious and helpful.
I suspect each of us has had an opportunity to deal with companies that are 180* different. And I also suspect these experiences shape our expectations when we have a problem with the next device or company. I know for myself this is exacerbated later in the evening... just sayin'... ::)
My experience with the PBC company is entirely different.
I know what it is like to be disappointed with a purchase - we all do. All I can say (from my personal experience) is that PBC is unique. I sincerely hope smokendevon will give them a chance. I am confident he will be happy with the result.
My ONLY comment re: your response is the exclamation points. As a friend, let me say they were a bit over the top - two at a time indicates a more strident tone than I think you intended. Just my observation. I have looked back at many of your posts and I realize this is your "style". I have no problem. But, maybe others who do not "know" you might. Just a thought.
Cheers,
David
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my first PBC had a problem w/ it. i called noah & amber about the problem after the 1st week of owning it. the 2nd week i had a new PBC w/ instructions on how to send the other one back. i was having problems w/ fed ex coming to pick the old one up. i called amber. amber then called fed ex for me. problem solved, fed ex was at my house the next day to get the old one. i, myself love my PBC. i also love the ppl running the company. they have been nothing but fair to me and all my requests. 1st rate company in my opinion. my daughter is getting married this summer. guess what shes getting for a wedding present. ::)
i also got a few problems w/ the above post. 1st off. i never get pm'ed :'(. 2nd i never get harassed either :'(. smoke, send pics of you flexing your muscles for my garage wall. :P
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At -35 degrees NOTHING will work as designed.
Good job, Smoke ;D
Hub
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I hope everyone read the pm I sent and I was really trying to be careful to respect the fact that someone was disappointed with their purchase! i also had problems with the PBC that were my fault and I contacted Noah and I got myself squared away. I have had numerous problems with some other pits that I own or used to own. Probably are mostly caused by me!! I feel bad that a member felt that he/she was harassed!! That was not my intentions at all.
I take being a moderator very seriously and do not take any joy in having to "flex my muscles". I also take very seriously our relationships with our Forum sponsors and of course all of you!! You are like my extended BBQ family and I really hope that you all feel what I was doing was fair and helpful to a newer member that was obviously unhappy with his purchase.
I hope he gets his equipment straightened out and he will come back on here and join us and just "Talk BBQ" :)
Smoke
Hey Smoke,
I took your comments in the way they were meant. I have had nothing but positive encounters with Noah and Amber at PBC. I also understand the typical "frustration" that a user might feel and the desire to "lash out". Early on you made it very clear that PBC was a unique company - dedicated to making EVERYONE of their customers satisfied. Each question I've put to them was answered patiently (given my lack of experience) and completely. I have had a chance to talk with both Amber and Noah on the phone and in every case they were gracious and helpful.
I suspect each of us has had an opportunity to deal with companies that are 180* different. And I also suspect these experiences shape our expectations when we have a problem with the next device or company. I know for myself this is exacerbated later in the evening... just sayin'... ::)
My experience with the PBC company is entirely different.
I know what it is like to be disappointed with a purchase - we all do. All I can say (from my personal experience) is that PBC is unique. I sincerely hope smokendevon will give them a chance. I am confident he will be happy with the result.
My ONLY comment re: your response is the exclamation points. As a friend, let me say they were a bit over the top - two at a time indicates a more strident tone than I think you intended. Just my observation. I have looked back at many of your posts and I realize this is your "style". I have no problem. But, maybe others who do not "know" you might. Just a thought.
Cheers,
David
I will try to cut down on the exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D Seriously though, I have never really gave much thoughts to how I use them.....Thanks David
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my first PBC had a problem w/ it. i called noah & amber about the problem after the 1st week of owning it. the 2nd week i had a new PBC w/ instructions on how to send the other one back. i was having problems w/ fed ex coming to pick the old one up. i called amber. amber then called fed ex for me. problem solved, fed ex was at my house the next day to get the old one. i, myself love my PBC. i also love the ppl running the company. they have been nothing but fair to me and all my requests. 1st rate company in my opinion. my daughter is getting married this summer. guess what shes getting for a wedding present. ::)
i also got a few problems w/ the above post. 1st off. i never get pm'ed :'(. 2nd i never get harassed either :'(. smoke, send pics of you flexing your muscles for my garage wall. :P
sent you a pm ;)
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Well my hope is that Devo will reconsider and stay. I consider him a very valuable member to this forum and hope that he get's his PBC woes fixed.
I think Devo was sincere in his complaint. Don't think he meant to step on anyone's toes. Maybe if he started using it in the summertime he would feel different about this cooker. Maybe a welding blanket would be helpful in his case because of the extreme temps he gets.
I agree that his chicken was too high in the cooker. I believe if they are almost at level with the reed bar you will lose much heat because that technically is where the cooker vents are located. Also increasing the amount of air for the coals could be helpful.
The PBC from my experience ranges at temps from 290F to 310F at the rack level pretty consistently. The big easy and SRG get much higher in temps than that so they will really crisp up chicken in short order.
I know that Noah and Amber will take care of him and get it figured out. Maybe a custom welding blanket design is in order for extremely cold areas like where Devo is at ;)
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here's how they do legs & wings in a BGE with their leg rack
it would work the same with the rack in the PBC
http://eggheadforum.com/discussion/1144305/game-day-menu-hanging-wings-and-legs
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Leg And Wing Rack Stainless Steel - $11.88
http://www.amazon.com/Leg-Wing-Rack-Stainless-Steel/dp/B000FTUPGK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1359476130&sr=8-2&keywords=chicken+leg+rack
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Devo, I hope you reconsider your decision and come back to us, as it would be a real shame if you didn't. I would think that any sort of pit at -35 degrees would have major challenges to work normally. Having said that, you should call Noah and Amber up and let them know about your situation. Being able to talk to someone on the phone makes a world of difference. Just my 2 cents.
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I use !!!!!!! all the time and it is the Brand for Instant Gourmet Spices ! I too hope he comes back.
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I encourage all that feel inclined to e-mail smokindevo and ask him to not feel like he is the enemy. Everybody has a bad day and we all have some frustrations that we could have expressed differently....
We do value all members and want to let him know no hard feelings on our part and wish for the same from him. He is completely welcome to return and this will not ever be brought up again. We just need to move forward.
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That would be real neat if smokindevo comes back!! Maybe he never really went away in the first place!! If you are reading this smokindevo please come back home to Lets Talk BBQ!!
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Tried to PM him - not on the list. Tried a search - no luck. So, I have no email to send to. WOuld be happy to send if you can give me the email.
Thanks,
David
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P.M. sent David
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Kind of watching this and I really think these drum style cookers are more sensitive to wind than cold. More area exposed compared to a horizontal unit. If I was to attempt to cook in those conditions , I would set up some sort of windbreak or give it a wrap with a welding blanket making sure than the vent on the bottom was exposed. I would have also utilized my Big Easy basket hung by whatever means to get it a further down closer to the fire. I don't have one yet, but I will as soon as I can swing it. Any cooker I have ever had has been affected by a cool wind, even here in Norcal where it does not get so cold. My Big Easy will not even cook some decent wings in a 15 mph wind in 60 degree weather. The only cooker I would bust out in minus temps would be a Memphis insulated pit. I have seen some good reports on them in extreme temps. In my current state, anytime a windchill factor is involved, I'm back to the Crockpot and oven.
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Smokin Soon - Those are some really good observations. And I plan to build a "shelter" for my PBC this weekend! I have cooked on my 500X, G2G, SRG and Weber Performer through MN winters for years. I add time based on conditions and dive back inside to the crockpot when it is just silly to cook outside (even for me.) But your comments about wind are well taken. Thank you!
David
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I think you bring up some good point Smokin!
And - I would like ot add that it is really hard to compare this type of pit to many others. it is just different. But it is also less than $350.....
so it is hard of hard to expect it to be "all things to all people".
Having said that- a wind break helps no matter what kind of pit you are using. Just physics. ;)
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Smoke, you done good as Dee would say. I found nothing in the PM you sent that would make me feel you "Got on to him" in anyway. I don't own a PBC and I know Amber and Noah will help out anyway they can they just seem to be that kinda folks.
I will say this, those that have known me for awhile know I'll cook in just about any weather BUT -35 I'd draw the line and here is why.
Living in North Alabama we don't get temps like -35 but we do hit the teens and I have cooked in those temps and when I do I always use my SRG's or TBE why, because I know that will be the fastest way to cook in those temp and even then I add time to my cooks. Example, 12 lb turkey that takes 2 hrs + or - a few mins will take almost 3 hrs, wings that take 35 to 45 mins will go 1 hr. But there is temps that will just play havoc with your cookers and -35 is one of them.
I know my cookers inside and out, it's possible that Devo had not learned all the in's and out's of this fine cooker and like Tee said he had a bad day to boot.
I for one feel right at home here and this is becoming my home site more and more.
Keep up the good work Smoke (& Smoochy ;) )
My 2 cents
Tommy
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I asked for this thread to be deleted so we all can go on with whats important....smoking and cooking good food on a BBQ. I see its still here, OH by the way I still love you all (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RD8uoV8wQWQ/UOoZa8N2R_I/AAAAAAAAEsk/Z1ZM0TBzOAw/s52/1999flower.gif)
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I asked for this thread to be deleted so we all can go on with whats important....smoking and cooking good food on a BBQ. I see its still here, OH by the way I still love you all (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RD8uoV8wQWQ/UOoZa8N2R_I/AAAAAAAAEsk/Z1ZM0TBzOAw/s52/1999flower.gif)
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Glad your back. Lets get to cooking!
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I asked for this thread to be deleted so we all can go on with whats important....smoking and cooking good food on a BBQ. I see its still here, OH by the way I still love you all (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RD8uoV8wQWQ/UOoZa8N2R_I/AAAAAAAAEsk/Z1ZM0TBzOAw/s52/1999flower.gif)
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Hey Devo! You need to showcase some of that awesome looking bacon you made recently. MMMMMMMMM!! Notice its all caps ;D
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I thought about deleting it Devo...But, I think the value of this thread is that we ALL learned from this experience. In no way do we need to keep it going - and it need never be brought up again.
But, genuinely, this thread has helped LTBBQ fine tune some policies and how we handle things. And it has helped us all as members to know how we should handle certain circumstances.
Please remember LTBBQ is not much over 1 year old. And - me...I am a complete rookie at being a moderator. But I am not new at being a friend. And - THAT is the goal. Oh - and...there is BBQ as a bonus! :D
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I asked for this thread to be deleted so we all can go on with whats important....smoking and cooking good food on a BBQ. I see its still here, OH by the way I still love you all (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RD8uoV8wQWQ/UOoZa8N2R_I/AAAAAAAAEsk/Z1ZM0TBzOAw/s52/1999flower.gif)
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Welcome back buddy! I was gonna send you another PM but it isn't there right now so I will go public:
I had no intentions in the world to pick on ya or chap your hide in anyway when I sent you that message. i would like to welcome you back to our growing family. Whether you are a new member or a grizzled vet or one of our Forum Sponsors...we got each others back. Like I told Tee one day "Someones gotta problem with you, they gotta problem with me"
So, come on in and stay a spell and Lets Talk BBQ!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry had to do some extra exclamation marks on that one :D
Oh, and we got your back, welcome home.
Smoke
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...OH by the way I still love you all (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RD8uoV8wQWQ/UOoZa8N2R_I/AAAAAAAAEsk/Z1ZM0TBzOAw/s52/1999flower.gif)
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Whew!!!! I was beginning to think I might not get to see how that lamb leg Prosciutto would turn out!
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Smokindevo.....glad you stayed. No finer people then this site.
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Thanks for staying Devo! You are an asset to this forum and a friend.
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KEWL
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Another nice thing about LTBBQ is that we have nice endings here :-*
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Another nice thing about LTBBQ is that we have happy endings here :-*
They have plenty of massage parlors in Houston with those. SO I'VE HEARD!
Just in case the funny replies start to pour in ;D
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Another nice thing about LTBBQ is that we have happy endings here :-*
They have plenty of massage parlors in Houston with those. SO I'VE HEARD!
Just in case the funny replies start to pour in ;D
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just changed happy to nice ;D
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Another nice thing about LTBBQ is that we have happy endings here :-*
They have plenty of massage parlors in Houston with those. SO I'VE HEARD!
Just in case the funny replies start to pour in ;D
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:D ;D :D ;D :D I ain't touching that one , no way no how!!!!!!!!
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I ain't touching that one , no way no how!!!!!!!!
That line ( I have been told - no firsthand knowledge) is often heard in those massage parlors ...........
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I ain't touching that one , no way no how!!!!!!!!
That line ( I have been told - no firsthand knowledge) is often heard in those massage parlors ...........
;D ;D ;D ??? ???
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Well so much for family friendly.....this forum is going to heck in a hen basket :D :D :D :D
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True story, I was working as a cable splicer when I first started working for the phone company. We were splicing a 3000 pair cable next to a business, "executive massage". We would smell fresh downy drying linens all day long but we didn't know where it was coming from because we would set up early and were working in a tent to keep the cold and rain off us. We did notice that men were frequently leaving out the back door and walking to the parking lot of the business that was on the street behind us ??? You would never see anyone park in front of the "executive massage" parking lot. Hmmm? I wonder what was going on in there. Most of the guys walking out wore nice suits and most were there during lunch hours. Maybe they had a hellova Lunch Buffett in there. ;) ;D
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