Yeah pretty curious. My old RED is 5 years old and I replaced troughs once already. Grills are cruddy and getting them clean is tough even with a wire wheel. I am likely going to pull the trigger on something new, and torn between Char Broil Tru Infra Red and a Weber Genesis. I like the infra red a lot, but all the non stainless areas on the RED I have are rusting out... The base is shot and I did sand and paint it, and the sides that hold the troughs is pretty rusty as well. Burners are fine but.... it has seen a LOT if use.