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Title: Texas Chili
Post by: Wing Commander on October 13, 2013, 12:41:48 PM
Yesterday was chili time. Ingredients were chopped sirloin, chuck and brisket, 1 chopped, 2 minced gloves garlic, onion, 8 red peppers, chili powder, poblano powder, a bit bhut jolokia powder, cumin, cheyenne, oregano, salt, pepper, tomatoes and tomato sauce and beef stock. It was cooked on low heat for a bit more than 3 hours and plated with tortillas, guacamole and sour cream.

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Title: Texas Chili
Post by: Pappymn on October 13, 2013, 01:05:02 PM
Oh yeah. Really nice. What is the bhut powder you mentioned?
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: hikerman on October 13, 2013, 01:06:06 PM
I sooo want a couple of those!  WC is it cooling down in Germany as it is here in the mid-west?   Great Fall food sir!
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: IR2dum on October 13, 2013, 01:23:50 PM
WC, my kind of chili. You would make a great Texan serving chili like that.
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: sparky on October 13, 2013, 02:04:11 PM
looks super yummy.  love me some chili w/ tortillas.   ;)
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: HighOnSmoke on October 13, 2013, 02:05:57 PM
Tasty looking and by the sounds of it a bit spicy chili! Just the way I like it!
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: smokeasaurus on October 13, 2013, 02:59:38 PM
looks like some excellent "Son of a bit## stew"  Keep your doors locked or some old dusty cowhands will be swinging by for a bowl.
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: sliding_billy on October 13, 2013, 03:26:37 PM
1st I skimmed the post to make sure I didn't see the word "beans" anywhere.  Then I read it for real.  :P  Looks great!
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: drholly on October 13, 2013, 03:55:27 PM
Looks and sounds great! Just in time, the weather is threatening to turn.
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: muebe on October 13, 2013, 04:32:28 PM
Oh yeah. Really nice. What is the bhut powder you mentioned?

Pappy that is... or was the hottest pepper in the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhut_Jolokia

The current king is the Trinidad Moruga Scorpion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinidad_Moruga_Scorpion

WC that is some fantastic looking chili with plenty of meat, heat, and no beans!
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: Keymaster on October 13, 2013, 05:05:32 PM
That is a very fine looking pot of five alarm chili. I like the Guacamole and Sour cream to curb the heat.
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: Sam3 on October 13, 2013, 05:51:33 PM
That looks delicious!
Title: Texas Chili
Post by: Pappymn on October 13, 2013, 05:55:49 PM
Oh yeah. Really nice. What is the bhut powder you mentioned?

Pappy that is... or was the hottest pepper in the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhut_Jolokia

The current king is the Trinidad Moruga Scorpion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinidad_Moruga_Scorpion

WC that is some fantastic looking chili with plenty of meat, heat, and no beans!

Are we sure WC survived the heat? Should we call somebody? ???
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: deestafford on October 13, 2013, 06:38:33 PM
I like the idea of no beans.  Am I wrong in believing "authenic" chili has no beans?  Dee
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: smokeasaurus on October 13, 2013, 06:40:02 PM
I like chili with beans and without...........now ya good ole boys in Tejas take it easy on Smoke  :)
Title: Texas Chili
Post by: Pappymn on October 13, 2013, 06:40:45 PM
I like the idea of no beans.  Am I wrong in believing "authenic" chili has no beans?  Dee

Yes, you are wrong ;D
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: muebe on October 13, 2013, 06:42:48 PM
I like the idea of no beans.  Am I wrong in believing "authenic" chili has no beans?  Dee

No you are correct Dee!
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: sliding_billy on October 13, 2013, 07:14:04 PM
You are correct Dee.  I am OK with chili with beans, as long as you call it "stew."  ;D
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: teesquare on October 13, 2013, 07:52:16 PM
I like the idea of no beans.  Am I wrong in believing "authenic" chili has no beans?  Dee

As a "Son of the Republic" I can tell you that "Texas Style" chili has no beans.  Also as a Son of the Republic Texans havestrong opinions.... ;)

Look...if you like it without beans great! But when you move east across the U.S. you get beans in chili. And other crazy things like maynaise basex coleslaw on you hot dog or hamburger. :D

I like my chili BOTH ways...if it is GOOD CHILI...
I habe had really bad chili with no beans and chili loaded with beans that was awesome.

This is no different than someone stating real BBQ ribs are done with a dry rub only.....
My humble opinion is that if you are that fixated on onoy one method...you may not have allowed for ample tasting experince.
That is..try more diffferent kinds than what your prejudice may be telling you are o.k.
Who knows what you may discover.
Shoot....you might actually find that you like sauced or glazed ribs too...or maybe even find a great chili recipe with beans. Or MAYBE......jus5tmaybe that the Thermapen has a quality competitor in the Pro Temp from Maverick! :D
Title: Texas Chili
Post by: Pappymn on October 13, 2013, 08:10:17 PM
I like the idea of no beans.  Am I wrong in believing "authenic" chili has no beans?  Dee

As a "Son of the Republic" I can tell you that "Texas Style" chili has no beans.  Also as a Son of the Republic Texans havestrong opinions.... ;)

Look...if you like it without beans great! But when you move east across the U.S. you get beans in chili. And other crazy things like maynaise basex coleslaw on you hot dog or hamburger. :D

I like my chili BOTH ways...if it is GOOD CHILI...
I habe had really bad chili with no beans and chili loaded with beans that was awesome.

This is no different than someone stating real BBQ ribs are done with a dry rub only.....
My humble opinion is that if you are that fixated on onoy one method...you may not have allowed for ample tasting experince.
That is..try more diffferent kinds than what your prejudice may be telling you are o.k.
Who knows what you may discover.
Shoot....you might actually find that you like sauced or glazed ribs too...or maybe even find a great chili recipe with beans. Or MAYBE......jus5tmaybe that the Thermapen has a quality competitor in the Pro Temp from Maverick! :D

Do they make a red one? Red is the fastest. ;D

Besides beans give me the opportunity to play pull my finger with my 9 year old son. Can't do that withTexas chili. ;D
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: teesquare on October 13, 2013, 08:46:41 PM
 :D You are on a roll tonite!
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: deestafford on October 13, 2013, 09:40:09 PM
Shoot, I ain't no expert or even a marksman when it comes to chili.  I never heard of it or pizza until I was in the Army.  Of course, there was a lot of things I never knew about until I was in the Army. They did showed us a very graphic film about some of them right before we got our first pass. Dee
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: Smokin Don on October 14, 2013, 12:12:39 AM
Some great lookin chili WC!!! I think I would have to tame it down some to keep the top of my head!
Here in Ohio Authentic chili has beans! Funny I have seen a lot of Texans, or so they claim, that include beans in their chili recipes!  :o  ;D Don
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: pz on October 14, 2013, 01:19:02 AM
That chili looks delicious, particularly in that taco with the extras  ;)
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: Wing Commander on October 14, 2013, 07:24:53 AM
WC is it cooling down in Germany as it is here in the mid-west?

It has cooled down last week. Today we had 38°F in the morning.

Are we sure WC survived the heat? Should we call somebody? ???

No problem, Pappy. Next time I'm gonna use even some more bhut jolokia. It's getting cold outside. ;)
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: bbqchef on October 14, 2013, 08:36:07 AM
I make chili with smoked brisket and NO beans...

But I'll serve beans on the side for those that want to have chili con carne...

Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: Smokin Don on October 14, 2013, 08:54:59 AM
From Wiki: "Chili con carne (“chili with meat”), more commonly known simply as “chili”, is a spicy stew"
Don
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: teesquare on October 14, 2013, 09:27:23 AM
Chili...just like our beloved BBQ...has as many permutations as one's imagination. They are not all my favorite - but - I am only one opinion :D...

In New Mexico Chili is identified as either Green or Red. In most places the Green is the hotter of the two. But...not always.

In Cincinnati - the serve their famous chili over pasta - like a spaghetti sauce, but you better not call is a sauce ;)...it is chili in Cincy.

And - while there are "purists" among any crowd that follows and loves a food type - I think the fun is being surprised by the variations that are sometimes regional - or just a "speciality of the house".

I never expect them all to be my favorite - but, how will I know if there is something I might like better - unless I am open to taste and smell new things?
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: Ka Honu on October 14, 2013, 09:50:28 AM
Please note that in deference to our Euromembers I did not take part in this discussion of the controversial ingredients in what people call chili.  Some horses may be too dead to beat. This (like the Thermapen color wars) might well be one of them.
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: teesquare on October 14, 2013, 10:04:41 AM
Please note that in deference to our Euromembers I did not take part in this discussion of the controversial ingredients in what people call chili.  Some horses may be too dead to beat. This (like the Thermapen color wars) might well be one of them.

On the contrary ;D - one can choose to comfort themselves in a single minded attempt to "define" that which is un-definable by his/her own terms and definitions.... :D

Or - one can grin about it, know what he/she likes - but make allowances for a less pedestrian point of view. Be open to other tastes and aromas and textures.
SImply stated - tho I am a firm believer in my OWN chicken soup - I recognize their are many - perhaps countless ways to make a chicken soup. Some may even be as good as mine...and if I try to imagine it hard enough....their may even be one or two that are better... ;)

But - I will never know without trying them.....
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: Smokin Don on October 14, 2013, 10:21:44 AM
I thought everyone was just having some fun with the beans, no beans. When it comes down to it If you da cook you can call it anything you want to! Don
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: sliding_billy on October 14, 2013, 10:22:17 AM
I think I am going to make some Cincinnati chili and add chopped brisket point to it.  :D
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: teesquare on October 14, 2013, 10:57:53 AM
I thought everyone was just having some fun with the beans, no beans. When it comes down to it If you da cook you can call it anything you want to! Don

Exactly!

I think I am going to make some Cincinnati chili and add chopped brisket point to it.  :D

Sounds like a great experiment to me!


When we become en-trenched in a thinking pattern that mandates "this is the ONLY way" - we really stunt our ability to learn, and to create. Who knows what you guys can come up with that becomes your NEW signature chili?
Until - of course.....you create the next, newer, better thing! :D :D :D :D

After all - isn't that what makes outdoor cooking, and cooking in general kind of fun? That you can change the recipe, or create a new one? ;) ;D
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: bbqchef on October 14, 2013, 11:40:37 AM
Doesn't Cinn Chili have spaghetti?
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: sliding_billy on October 14, 2013, 11:54:36 AM
Spaghetti noodles with chili over it then loaded with mounds of raw shredded cheddar in a 3-way and if you want it 2-way, 4-way,  or 5-way...

Two-way: chili and spaghetti
Three-way: chili, spaghetti, and cheese
Four-way: chili, spaghetti, cheese, and onions
Five-way: chili, spaghetti, cheese, onions, and beans

P.S. Don't forget the oyster crackers.
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: Ka Honu on October 14, 2013, 12:32:25 PM
tee - You've missed the point (insert Aggie joke here).

The issue has never been what the dish contains. You and others are correct in their comments about experimentation, comparison, blending ideas, etc. The issue is how far can you stray from the original recipe (chiles, meat, and maybe suet & some spices) and still call it chili. I maintain that if your recipe includes beans and/or a significant amount of tomatoes, then it may be an excellent dish but it should be called something other than "chili" to differentiate it from the original. Adjectives are allowed as in the case of Cincinnati Chili, Firehouse Chili, etc.
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: drholly on October 14, 2013, 12:50:49 PM
Here's a link to an interesting "history" of chili. I have no idea about its accuracy or completeness - was just some interesting reading.
http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/Chili/ChiliHistory.htm
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: Wing Commander on October 14, 2013, 01:26:13 PM
Here's a link to an interesting "history" of chili. I have no idea about its accuracy or completeness - was just some interesting reading.
http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/Chili/ChiliHistory.htm

Wanted to post that one, too.  :D Here's another one:

http://www.chilicookoff.com/History/History_of_Chili.asp

The International Chili Society defines chili in their rules for chili cookoffs (http://www.chilicookoff.com/Event/Event_Rules.asp) as follows:

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Traditional Red Chili is defined by the International Chili Society as any kind of meat or combination of meats,
 cooked with red chili peppers, various spices and other ingredients, with the exception of BEANS and PASTA
 which are strictly forbidden.

 Chili Verde is defined by the International Chili Society as any kind of meat or combination of meats, cooked
 with green chili peppers, various spices and other ingredients, with the exception of BEANS and PASTA which
 are strictly forbidden.

Most of the recipes on their WCCC Recipes site (http://www.chilicookoff.com/Recipe/Recipe_WCCC_Recipes.asp?Cat=1) include tomatos and other stuff and they still call it chili. But maybe the ICS is not entitled to the Turtle's opinion.... ;)

Fact is that most people worldwide recognize a spicy stew with meat and chiles as chili con carne, wether beans or tomatos are inside or not. So I guess you can stray at least that far from the original recipe (chiles, meat, and maybe suet & some spices) to still call it chili.
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: deestafford on October 14, 2013, 03:14:51 PM
Yeah.  And Pam even calls what Ohio State plays on Saturday afternoons on a striped field "football".  It's apparent that what something is is in the eyes of the beholder...even if the beholder is visually impaired, in politically incorrect language---blind. 
Dee
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: bbqchef on October 14, 2013, 03:21:01 PM
I've judged a few ICS competitions... interesting chili concoctions.

Some good, some not so.
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: teesquare on October 14, 2013, 03:46:35 PM
  Peppers and meat......sound kind of boring if we enforce the definitions in a stringent manner huh?

Chili ( peppers) con ( with) carne (meat)
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: hikerman on October 14, 2013, 04:15:27 PM
As long as the Spanish lesson is ongoing.......dos cervezas, por favor!  Uh ones for you Tee!
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: Ka Honu on October 14, 2013, 04:37:09 PM
... But maybe the ICS is not entitled to the Turtle's opinion...

Well, of course they are. Unfortunately they foolishly choose to ignore it.
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: teesquare on October 14, 2013, 05:12:40 PM
As long as the Spanish lesson is ongoing.......dos cervezas, por favor!  Uh ones for you Tee!

Thanks! I could use it at the ending of this Monday ;)!

Well, of course they are. Unfortunately they foolishly choose to ignore it.
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The over-abundance of humility has such a strong aroma......amazing how much it smells like B.S........... :D :D :D
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: Old Hickory on October 14, 2013, 07:15:41 PM
WC, your chili looks and sounds great, wish I could try a bowl.
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: muebe on October 14, 2013, 10:26:35 PM
Glad we got it settled!

Chili should not contain beans 8)

The green Thermapen is the fastest!

Fat cap down!

The Chicken came first!

Chevy is better than Ford!
Title: Texas Chili
Post by: Pappymn on October 14, 2013, 11:03:57 PM
Glad we got it settled!

Chili should not contain beans 8)

The green Thermapen is the fastest!

Fat cap down!

The Chicken came first!

Chevy is better than Ford!

And always soak your wood
Title: Re: Texas Chili
Post by: teesquare on October 14, 2013, 11:14:04 PM
tee - You've missed the point (insert Aggie joke here).

The issue has never been what the dish contains. You and others are correct in their comments about experimentation, comparison, blending ideas, etc. The issue is how far can you stray from the original recipe (chiles, meat, and maybe suet & some spices) and still call it chili. I maintain that if your recipe includes beans and/or a significant amount of tomatoes, then it may be an excellent dish but it should be called something other than "chili" to differentiate it from the original. Adjectives are allowed as in the case of Cincinnati Chili, Firehouse Chili, etc.


There was no "miss"...There WAS an attempt to broaden our perspective on a food item larger than Texas ( I am qualified genetically, by birthright, and my geographical upbringing to make the former statement ;))- and with far more fans than detractors.
Fans are the impetus for perspective - and should qualifiedly be THE reason for what to call a food item. There are no "food police" with authority in this specific area. We are not in France ;) ;D. So, I believe that the only reasonable approach is to say that "chili"...is just like BBQ.

A lot of folks call something they like BBQ - when I would not believe it to be such. But...they even have such purportedly in Hawaii...so - who am I to argue with them? :D :D :D