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Title: Orion Turkey
Post by: MossyMO on December 08, 2012, 01:13:06 AM
So I have had this Orion Cooker a for a while and all I have used it for is ribs a few times and they taste ok but nothing compared to off a pellet grill or a Weber kettle, but it will do 3 slabs of ribs in 90 minutes (in the summer).

Now I have always heard how great a turkey is from an Orion and had to give it a try. Started out by putting the 10 lb. turkey in Mad Hunky Poultry Brine that was planned to be an 8 hour brine but North Dakota weather switched my plans and it ended up being a 32 hour brine.

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Now here is the turkey on the Orion poultry stand rubbed with Simply Marvelous Season All.

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The Orion Cooker is designed to add smoke taste if you choose to add wood chips around the drip pan, instead I thought I would try 2 hand fulls of pecan pellets.

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Here is the turkey loaded in the Orion.

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Here is the Orion with the coals lit.

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Orion cooks by time, not temp; and Orion suggest 7 minutes per pound for turkey. Well, North Dakota winter temps seemed to not work well with Orion's directions cause at 70 minutes this turkey needed more cooking time. Ended up going an hour 45 minutes which still is not that bad to cook a turkey in freezing temps! Here is the turkey when I pulled it.

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Check out the juices!

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Turkey, dressing and mixed veggies!

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I really like this turkey; great taste, the brine and seasoning made it moist and delicious... and most surprising was the smoke flavor, it really had a deep pecan smoke flavor. I like the Orion for cook time and flavor, but I will say with this style of cooking the turkey skin was terrible.

Thanks for looking!
Title: Re: Orion Turkey
Post by: TentHunteR on December 08, 2012, 01:21:11 AM
Very interesting Marty. I've wanted to see an Orion cooker in action.

I know one thing; that plate of food sure looks awfully good!
Title: Re: Orion Turkey
Post by: drholly on December 08, 2012, 01:23:41 AM
As a guy who grew up in ND - Good Job! ND temps / winds and ghosts can be difficult. I am sorry to hear the skin was not what you were hoping - but the pics look great. Good for you and thanks for the report!

Cheers,

David
Title: Re: Orion Turkey
Post by: Keymaster on December 08, 2012, 05:34:08 AM
Good looking Turkey and neat looking cooker.
Title: Orion Turkey
Post by: mikecorn.1 on December 08, 2012, 08:40:26 AM
The bird looks great! So your comment about the skin; was it that is was rubbery?


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Title: Re: Orion Turkey
Post by: squirtthecat on December 08, 2012, 08:44:35 AM

Bird looks good!

Title: Re: Orion Turkey
Post by: muebe on December 08, 2012, 08:59:30 AM
Great looking bird Mossy ;)

That thing looks like a charcoal big easy. Being that the skin is not crispy means it probably does not generate the type of heat that a big easy does. And as cold and windy as it was probably played a huge factor. Bet during a warmer day you would get more crispy skin.
Title: Re: Orion Turkey
Post by: MossyMO on December 08, 2012, 09:29:41 AM
The bird looks great! So your comment about the skin; was it that is was rubbery?

The skin was tough like shoe leather.

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That thing looks like a charcoal big easy. Being that the skin is not crispy means it probably does not generate the type of heat that a big easy does. And as cold and windy as it was probably played a huge factor. Bet during a warmer day you would get more crispy skin.

You may be correct, have to try it again in the summer and use less charcoal.
Title: Orion Turkey
Post by: Pappymn on December 08, 2012, 09:36:11 AM
I can appreciate the effort it takes to cook outside in the winter. It does take a lot of the fun out of it. Nice looking bird!
Title: Re: Orion Turkey
Post by: smokeasaurus on December 08, 2012, 10:51:58 AM
It is like Thanksgiving all over again!!  That looks great!!
Title: Re: Orion Turkey
Post by: Merrick Bill on December 08, 2012, 11:26:03 AM
I find that brining makes the skin rubbery unless you let it dry out in the fridge for 24 hours after the brine. 

Bill
Title: Re: Orion Turkey
Post by: TentHunteR on December 08, 2012, 12:04:25 PM
The bird looks great! So your comment about the skin; was it that is was rubbery?

The skin was tough like shoe leather.

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That thing looks like a charcoal big easy. Being that the skin is not crispy means it probably does not generate the type of heat that a big easy does. And as cold and windy as it was probably played a huge factor. Bet during a warmer day you would get more crispy skin.

You may be correct, have to try it again in the summer and use less charcoal.


I have been on a quest this past year for crispier chicken/turkey skin. Someone else was doing some playing around with this too earlier this year too and posted about using higher temps (400°+) to get better skin. That got me to thinking, so I did some checking & lots of testing.

One thing I've learned is that you need that higher temps to get the fat hot enough to fry and crisp the skin before it melts off.  With lower temps, in 275° range, it's just high enough for the fat to melt off leaving it to dry out and get tough.

Ever since I turned the heat up, I've been getting much better results.
Title: Re: Orion Turkey
Post by: sparky on December 08, 2012, 12:44:37 PM
turkey got great color.  looks real juicy. 
Title: Re: Orion Turkey
Post by: MossyMO on December 08, 2012, 01:32:58 PM
I think if I try this in the summer without brining the bird I will get better skin results. When I try this next I will use an infrared thermo to try get a semi accurate cooking chamber temperature.
Title: Re: Orion Turkey
Post by: LostArrow on December 08, 2012, 01:34:29 PM
The bird looks great! So your comment about the skin; was it that is was rubbery?

The skin was tough like shoe leather.

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That thing looks like a charcoal big easy. Being that the skin is not crispy means it probably does not generate the type of heat that a big easy does. And as cold and windy as it was probably played a huge factor. Bet during a warmer day you would get more crispy skin.

You may be correct, have to try it again in the summer and use less charcoal.


I have been on a quest this past year for crispier chicken/turkey skin. Someone else was doing some playing around with this too earlier this year too and posted about using higher temps (400°+) to get better skin. That got me to thinking, so I did some checking & lots of testing.

One thing I've learned is that you need that higher temps to get the fat hot enough to fry and crisp the skin before it melts off.  With lower temps, in 275° range, it's just high enough for the fat to melt off leaving it to dry out and get tough.

Ever since I turned the heat up, I've been getting much better results.

Cooked poultry several times on my cheap Kamodo @ 350-375F & the skin is yummy, specially coated with butter , birds were brined & not dried.
Title: Re: Orion Turkey
Post by: TentHunteR on December 08, 2012, 01:59:25 PM
Quote from: LostArrow
Cooked poultry several times on my cheap Kamodo @ 350-375F & the skin is yummy...

Yep, we've been going usually around 375° as well, with really good results. It really seems to make a difference for the skin.
Title: Re: Orion Turkey
Post by: muebe on December 08, 2012, 02:13:26 PM
When making chicken on the pellet grill I go with 365F. Skin is great everytime ;)