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OTHER HOBBIES => OTHER HOBBIES => Topic started by: GrillGeek on September 03, 2013, 12:36:01 PM
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I know a few of you are experienced fog owners...
Yesterday we took in a 6 year old female blue Aussie, and we already have a 3 year old female blue Aussie. We have tried to make this transition easy for the both of them by having them spend time together in neutral territory, and slowly easing them into our house. However, they will start playing and that escalates into fighting. Our 3 year old has been possessive, and slowly getting used to the new dog, but we're trying to interpret what's happening and figure out the best route for both dogs. This is our first experience with this type of situation and we want to do what's best. Any thoughts or comments?
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2 female dogs. one has to show dominance. we have two also. male and female. marley is the dominate one unless sophie has a bone.
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S-L-O-W....
That seems to be what worked for us. As well - don't put them in situations a for a while that are instinctive territorial response situations, i.e. feeding, sleeping, attention from the family, etc.
There are likely some books on the subject -
T
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T is right - SLOW is the key. Although the new girl is older, the younger has "owned" you for three years. She's going to feel displaced. Make it easy for her to accept the newcomer and respect her "space."
I had an Irish Setter (male) for several years. Then brought in a female (rescue dog) Setter. I was lucky. After a "discussion" about sleeping arrangements, they worked things out. Several years later we had a couple of litters of Setter pups. I don't have any magic - these two did well by themselves. But the key to me back then was to keep it slow, keep them apart for awhile, let them spend some time together, then apart. And while helping the new dog get acquainted with the family, never let the "old" dog feel replaced. It took a lot of work, but ultimately was well worth it.
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Good info guys. This was very last minute obtaining the second dog, so we have done some research but we're kinda shooting from the hip.
When you mean separated, are saying like isolate one dog to a room in the house, or just away from one another?
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Physical distance, but within sight of one another if possible( given that they are not so aggressive toward each other that they react negatively ). Trust takes time with animals - more than with humans ( perhaps they are smarter than us... ;)) and them being able to see one another helps to establish that trust over some time.
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I just kept them apart in different parts of the house when things were getting "tense." They need time to get to know each other and they need time to be on their own. I would spend time with each of them when they were "apart" - this is not solitary confinement. Just time to decompress and have some time with you on their own.
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T's point is important as well. Dogs and other animals communicate in many ways that we don't understand. On the other hand, they can't sit down across a table and discuss things... So, I think you need to let them guide you to some extent - if things are tense - let them have some space. As much as possible, let them see and smell each other to get used to each other. Don't force them to do something they are not comfortable with. It will take time - depending on the dogs it might be a short amount of time or a longer time.
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GG sounds like all good advice to me. I have always just had one dog. I guess dogs are a lot like people, they don't always get along at first but later can learn to. My cock-a-poo loves all dogs and never barks at them, he just barks at people. I was lucky when my son & family got a big mixed breed, pointer and boxer or something. My dog can walk under her now. They love to run and play and sometimes get a little aggressive. My sons dog gets a little rough sometimes, or so I think, but my dog will keep going back for more.
Mine is a male and the son's is a female and generally I think opposite sexes get along better. Good luck with your two! Don
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We only have one dog now - Roscoe - a strange mix of lab, shepherd, huskie, and pug... but he is kinda good looking. My wife's sisters all have dogs - there are 2 golden retrievers, a German short hair, and a Chihuahua. When we go to the lake - all the dogs hang out together. Pretty much they get along - dogs have come and gone over the years. Right now, Roscoe is the baby - he just turned 1. The rest are all at least 7 - 10 years old. They get a little tired of Roscoe, cause he always wants to play. ;D They let him know how they feel and he back's off for a bit (30 seconds or so...) But the group has worked out their pecking order and they make it work. If things get loud, I just take Roscoe for a walk. Things calm down and they all lay down in a heap... ??? ;D But Roscoe is terrified of the Chihuahua - he won't even look at it... ;D
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Here's a pic of Roscoe taking a nap (his favorite hobby!)
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I had two dogs for over 10 years; a Golden Retriever and a German Shepherd. The both vied for attention. It is very tough. And you have to make sure that each animal has the attention that they required. I personally, would not do this again. I have one Golden, female, and she is great! The upside of two dogs is that your floors are never dirty.
The downside of the two dogs, is that the loss is difficult as it would be to any family member. It is something, that you cannot get use to.
Ed
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I had two dogs for over 10 years; a Golden Retriever and a German Shepherd. The both vied for attention. It is very tough. And you have to make sure that each animal has the attention that they required. I personally, would not do this again. I have one Golden, female, and she is great! The upside of two dogs is that your floors are never dirty.
The downside of the two dogs, is that the loss is difficult as it would be to any family member. It is something, that you cannot get use to.
Ed
Having had multiple dogs for many years - then no dogs for many years - and now one dog... I understand your thoughts. The loss is so hard. You are right.
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Dang, you had to make me think... Here is a pic of Damian (my Red Setter) at about 10 yo - shortly before he died of cancer. He was a funny guy.
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kind of trying the same thing at this time with two male cats. My woosy indoor cat up against the outdoor bad boy cat ??? I feel your pain :)
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A little update... They doing great now. Like you guys said, they have to figure it out, and it doesn't work well if we force it or try to expedite the process. We had them both on leash, trying to keep them apart until we felt comfortable with them. I think this was kinda stressing both of them out.
Anyways, right about the same time I made my original post, we let them out in the back yard off leash, and they started to figure it out on their own. We'd have to intervene every once in a while and establish our rules of play, but they both listen to us well. Now they're pretty much glued at the hips.
Thanks for the advice!
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Dogs have a pack mentality built in their genetic code. There is always the alpha dog(you) and a pecking order. When a new dog enters the pack a submissive dog will not put up a challenge. A non submissive dog will challenge the other dog or dogs to find it's place in the pecking order. And the existing dog in the pack will try to protect it's order in the pack if it is non submissive.
Sometimes when two dogs are introduced of the same gender they never get the pecking order hashed out and the fights can get serious.
The dog I just adopted is a Boxer and I was concerned that he would fight with my older lab. He is not fixed and that makes the male dogs more aggressive when it comes to other dogs. My older lab is fixed however. When I introduced them I kept them in separate gates so they could see each other. When I let them out together there was an initial confrontation that I had to break up but now they are doing fine.
The reason why I adopted him is because the people who had him also had two pit bull dogs. They all got along fine until they brought a puppy in the house. As soon as that happened the two pit bulls started attacking the boxer. He was pretty torn up and had to see a vet. His wounds have since healed and he is very happy here. The puppy changed the pecking order of the pack causing a fight.
Even though dogs are domesticated they still have these natural instincts built into them that are important to understand when introducing a new dog in the family. Even a new baby in the house will affect them. They can be aggressive toward the baby or child sometimes because their pecking order needs to be re-established. That is why you always be careful with new infants around your dogs.
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What a great picture! I'm happy to hear things are working out.
muebe - very good points! Glad to hear your new pup is fitting in.
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Nice ending.Great pics all. Ours took about 2 weeks to get together,both females. As said,now glued at the hips....sisters now.Weve had up to 5 dogs at one time,so no problem handling more than one,except in the cases like muebe mentions.
Had a pit bull try to adopt me,he was real sweet,but my GSD wouldnt submit,nor he.After about a month of inconclusive non injury daily fights the pit dragged the GSD under the truck and did a number on him ???.Pit had to leave after that,both males.
Another story,lived out in the boonies,same GSD,he was Black.Neighbor had a white GSD,both same sized dogs but for color.They would wrestle over the hills most every day,about 30 minutes,til one finally pinned the other.
Was like Spy vrs Spy in Mad Magazine. ;D
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Glad it worked out well for you Grill Geek. And nice photo of your Aussies. We adopted a female catahoula and it is not recommended to have two of these of the same sex in the home as they will become pushy and each strive for dominance. Good luck and I hope your two bond peaceably!