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Offline Pappymn

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Oven Brisket.....need advice
« Reply #-1 on: January 27, 2016, 04:48:36 PM »
I know I know.....I don't want to hear about it. :-[ :-[ :-[   I'm pretty sure most of you have an oven too.

I picked up an 8 pound Prime packer (must have been a small unloved cow .....much like Tee) from Costco over a week ago, and it has been sitting in my fridge ever sense. 

Both of my grills are under snow on my deck and frankly are too dirty to use.  Did I mention I am lazy?   :P

This is my first packer. So I think messing around with this smaller one will help prepare me for the larger one in my freezer.

So any tips on doing it in the oven are greatly appreciated.
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Re: Oven Brisket.....need advice
« on: January 27, 2016, 05:32:32 PM »
There are a ton of fancy recipes out there but as I understand it, you want to use the oven to make essentially the same style brisket you'd get cooking outside. In that case, since an oven is nothing more than a smoker without the added flavor, cook the same way you would if you could go outside.

I'd trim and prep as usual although I might rub in a bit of liquid smoke before adding my rub (in my case that means CYM (maybe), salt, pepper, & granulated garlic only) for a 1- or 2-night "sleepover" in the fridge. I'd rack it over a drip pan with a pan of water on a lower shelf and cook at 250o just like I would in the smoker. If you're a "crutch guy," wrap as usual to get through the stall. If not, let it ride "nekkid" for the duration. Then FTC before slicing.
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Re: Oven Brisket.....need advice
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2016, 06:16:20 PM »
I have no problem with doing a brisket in the oven, but for the love of God please save that treatment for a select or low choice one... not a prime.  :D  My advice is to toss that one in the freezer and try again when you have a chance to do it in the smoker.
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2016, 06:19:13 PM »
I've done a couple in the oven and follow the green turtle.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2016, 06:53:54 PM »
I have no problem with doing a brisket in the oven, but for the love of God please save that treatment for a select or low choice one... not a prime.  :D  My advice is to toss that one in the freezer and try again when you have a chance to do it in the smoker.

and stay away from the liquid smoke..............
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2016, 07:13:03 PM »

I have no problem with doing a brisket in the oven, but for the love of God please save that treatment for a select or low choice one... not a prime.  :D  My advice is to toss that one in the freezer and try again when you have a chance to do it in the smoker.

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Re: Oven Brisket.....need advice
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2016, 08:03:44 PM »
I have no problem with doing a brisket in the oven, but for the love of God please save that treatment for a select or low choice one... not a prime.  :D  My advice is to toss that one in the freezer and try again when you have a chance to do it in the smoker.

and stay away from the liquid smoke..............

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I can tell you that I understand your feelings about the stuff. But, I have played with it a number of times - and found what I think is the issue with it. The strength. Dilute it - and still use only a few drops. Then, it takes on a natural flavor, and aroma. But - if you use it as comes form the bottle- you really risk a nasty surprise! ;D
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2016, 10:02:42 PM »
I have no problem with doing a brisket in the oven, but for the love of God please save that treatment for a select or low choice one... not a prime.  :D  My advice is to toss that one in the freezer and try again when you have a chance to do it in the smoker.

and stay away from the liquid smoke..............

Well.....
I can tell you that I understand your feelings about the stuff. But, I have played with it a number of times - and found what I think is the issue with it. The strength. Dilute it - and still use only a few drops. Then, it takes on a natural flavor, and aroma. But - if you use it as comes form the bottle- you really risk a nasty surprise! ;D

Tee should know.  I think he was putting a drop or two (undiluted, of course) behind each ear at the last Fall Gathering we attended.  He got pretty "rank" after a couple of days.  There were a lot of witnesses, too.

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Re: Oven Brisket.....need advice
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2016, 10:15:31 PM »
I have no problem with doing a brisket in the oven, but for the love of God please save that treatment for a select or low choice one... not a prime.  :D  My advice is to toss that one in the freezer and try again when you have a chance to do it in the smoker.

and stay away from the liquid smoke..............
oh, that's what that was.  ??? ;D ;D ;D

Well.....
I can tell you that I understand your feelings about the stuff. But, I have played with it a number of times - and found what I think is the issue with it. The strength. Dilute it - and still use only a few drops. Then, it takes on a natural flavor, and aroma. But - if you use it as comes form the bottle- you really risk a nasty surprise! ;D

Tee should know.  I think he was putting a drop or two (undiluted, of course) behind each ear at the last Fall Gathering we attended.  He got pretty "rank" after a couple of days.  There were a lot of witnesses, too.

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Re: Oven Brisket.....need advice
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2016, 11:31:30 PM »
Ahh, the old "liquid smoke is for posers" controversy rears its ugly head.

As tee so wisely says (I can't believe I wrote that), if you don't get wrapped up in the emotional side of the issue the major problem is the strength. I'm as big a "purist" as anyone (don't ask me about chili) but I always use it when making kalua pork or turkey (as well as a few other dishes) in the oven and really haven't ever had a problem with it. Used properly it enhances taste in way you can't otherwise get with indoor cooking.

On the other flipper hand, the concept of "faking" the smoke taste instead of burning wood just seems wrong. Get over it. Or not.
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Oven Brisket.....need advice
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2016, 10:29:45 AM »
I'm also a user of the liquid smoke (Wrights). It doesn't take much. A couple of drops in a box of the prefab au gratin potatoes transforms them into something wonderful. I also used it when I made jerky a few times while I was laid up and couldn't use a smoker only the dehydrator and it turned out better than I expected. Just be careful how much you use.


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Re: Oven Brisket.....need advice
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2016, 01:02:51 PM »
I'll chime in on the liquid smoke thing.  It shows up in a lot of things, especially barbeque sauces and pre-packaged meats.  It isn't a terrible thing per se, but you have to be very careful with it.  As mentioned already here, a little goes a long way but a few drops can be pleasing.  Because it is made of burned wood particulates suspended in oil or another emulsion/combination, it is very concentrated.  It also isn't what you'd call "fresh" although that doesn't mean it is rotten or bad to eat -- just intense.  It isn't the same flavor as new, natural smoke, but it can recall that flavor if you're careful.

Even real smoke is all too often overdone.  A "kiss" of smoke is delicious in meat cooked outdoors but too much often leads to what many describe as a "creosote" taste and misattribute to misused charcoal lighter fluid.  Tastes vary, of course.  If you really like a heavy smoke flavor go for your heart's desire.  Barbeque is a blend of things, however.  I think the best has smokiness, but not enough to overpower all the other deliciousness like the meat, the rubs, the sauces, marinades, injections, etc. 

Nonetheless, back to your original query:  Yes, you can do a great brisket in the oven (with or without liquid smoke) using exactly the same approach (temperature/time/rub/sauce/wrap/etc) you do in your smoker.  I often use my indoor oven for finishing big hunks of critter that I start outdoors because it is cheap and handy.

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Re: Oven Brisket.....need advice
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2016, 01:45:17 PM »
Its the oven, set it an forget it with a temp alarm.  No need to crutch just let it enjoy the ride.  I wish I could find prime packers at Costco
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2016, 06:10:30 PM »
That is a great price.
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